Classic Books and Poems – Myths, Legends, Poems, and Books: Dark Origins #nurseryrhymes #darkorigins #Englishliterature

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Hi everyone, its Robbie Cheadle with you today to introduce Classic Books and Poems, a new segment on LatinosUSA – English Edition. This week’s post focuses on Myths, Legends, Poems and Books: Dark Origins and I’m discussing the dark origin of the English nursery rhyme, Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary.

If you have a myth, legend, poem, or book to share which is based in something dark and mysterious, please contact me on cheadlerobbie@gmail.com. Please title your email Myths, Legends, Poems and Books: Dark Origins.


Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary

Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary is an English nursery rhyme which is believed to have religious and historical significance.

Picture from Origins – What Does History Say?

The most common modern version of this nursery rhyme is as follows:

Mary, Mary, quite contrary,

How does your garden grow?

With silver bells, and cockle shells,

And pretty maids all in a row.

The oldest known version was first published in Tommy Thumb’s Pretty Song Book in 1744 and the lyrics were a little different.

Mistress Mary, Quite contrary,

How does your garden grow?

With Silver Bells, And Cockle Shells,

And so my garden grows.

The origins of this nursery rhyme are disputed and these are the three most popular theories.

Religous origin

One theory is that this nursery rhyme is a religious allegory of Catholicism as follows:

Mary is Mary, the mother of Jesus,

The bells are the sanctus or altar bells used to create a joyful noise to the Lord as a means of giving thanks for the miracle taking place on top of the altar,

The cockleshells are the badges of the pilgrims to the shrine of Saint James (one of the twelve Apostles of Jesus according to the New Testament) in Spain, and

Pretty maids are nuns.

Historical origins

The origin of this nursery rhyme has also been attributed to two 16th-century British queens, Mary Queen of Scots and Mary I, also known as Bloody Mary.

Mary Queen of Scots

Picture from Biography of Mary Queen of Scots where you can read more about her life

The tragic Mary Queen of Scots may have been the heroine of this nursery rhyme.

The cockle shells and silver bells were thought to have been ornaments on a dress given to her by her first husband, the Dauphin of France, who died in 1561, leaving her a widow.

The pretty maids all in a row is believed to refer to her ladies-in-waiting, the famous Four Mary’s: Mary Seton, Mary Fleming, Mary Beaton and Mary Livingston. These four young girls, all of noble and high birth, accompanied her when she travelled to France. They all had Scottish fathers and two of them had French mothers and could be relied upon to be loyal to the Scottish Queen and also to her French mother, Marie de Guise.

Mary I or Bloody Mary

Mary I was the elder daughter of King Henry VIII. Mary was a devout Catholic and upon ascending to the throne, following the death of her brother Edward VI, restored the Catholic faith to England. This, according to this theory, earned her the description Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary.

Bloody Mary was renowned for torturing Protestants and “silver bells” was a nickname for the thumbscrews. “Cockleshells” were believed to be instruments of torture attached to the genitals. Pretty maids in a row was said to represent people lined up to be executed by the Halifax Gibbet, the same as a guillotine, which was nicknamed ‘a maiden’.

“How does your garden grow?” could be a taunt about Mary I’s failure to produce an heir or it could be a reference to the cemetery and the fact that the more deaths there were, the more the cemetery flowers would grow.

What do you think about this nursery rhyme? Which theory do you think is the most likely? Let me know in the comments.

About Robbie Cheadle

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South African author, photographer, and artist, Robbie Cheadle, has written and illustrated seventeen children’s books, illustrated a further three children’s books, written and illustrated four poetry books and written and illustrated one celebration of cake and fondant art book with recipes. Her work has also appeared in poetry and short story anthologies.

Robbie also has two novels and a collection of short stories published under the name of Roberta Eaton Cheadle and has horror, paranormal, and fantasy short stories featured in several anthologies under this name.

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  1. […] Classic Books and Poems – Myths, Legends, Poems, and Books: Dark Origins #nurseryrhymes #darkorigi… […]

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  2. Avatar de Darlene

    I’ve heard all three of these explanations. I think the Mary Queen of Scots one is the most likely but you never know.

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Hi Darlene, I thought the same as you but I am drawn to dark explanations 🖤🩶

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  3. Avatar de Ephemeral Encounters

    What an interesting post Robbie .
    I had no idea about any of these explanations.
    Thank you.

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Hi Maggie, I’m glad this post interested you.

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      1. Avatar de Ephemeral Encounters

        It did very much.
        I loved reading about Mary Queen of Svots !

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  4. Avatar de Priscilla Bettis

    The Bloody Mary explanation is disturbing, but I think it fits the nursery rhyme the best.

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Hi Priscilla, yes, you are quite right on both counts.

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  5. Avatar de beetleypete

    I feel it is almost certainly about Mary. You can see a reconstruction of The Halifax Gibbet in Yorkshire. https://www.visitcalderdale.com/see-and-do/attractions/halifax-gibbet/

    Best wishes, Pete.

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    1. Avatar de beetleypete

      *Forgot to add, shared on Twitter.

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      1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

        Thank you. Pete. Appreciated 🙏

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    2. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Hi Pete, thanks for this link. I agree that Mary is the most feasible origin 🩵

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  6. Avatar de Cindy Georgakas

    I loved this and appreciated hearing the origins of the nursery time I never gave much thought to, Robbie! Now 1 Bloody Mary over here please… celebrating my hubs birthday today !
    🩷🩷🩷

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Hi Cindy, I find these origins very interesting. I wish your hubby a very happy birthday 🎈🎂

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      1. Avatar de Cindy Georgakas

        soooo interesting and thank you so much. xo

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  7. Avatar de Violet Lentz

    I had only ever heard the Mary Queen of Scots explanation- and to me it sounds about right knowing what I do about that time period in history. Is this going to be a series? I hope so as I love the subject matter.

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Hi Violet, yes, this is going to be a series on myths, legends and dark origins. If you have one you’d like to submit for publication please do. The submission email is in this post.

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  8. Avatar de D.L. Finn, Author
    D.L. Finn, Author

    All seem possible, Robbie. Bloody Mary the worst of them. Great post!

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Thanks, Denise. I’m pleased you enjoyed this post.

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  9. Avatar de Meelosmom

    I had no idea or have forgotten these theories. they all sound possible. Good read!

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      I’m pleased you enjoyed this post, Barbara 🩵

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      1. Avatar de Meelosmom

        Our family lineage goes back to Mary Queen of Scots. I always say that’s why I don’t like a cold neck. (Sorry for my dark humor!)

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      2. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

        How interesting that you are a descendent of Mary. Your humour amuses me 😉

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      3. Avatar de Meelosmom

        🤣

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  10. Avatar de T. W. Dittmer

    Amazing explanations, Roberta!

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Thank you, Tim 💓

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      1. Avatar de T. W. Dittmer

        My pleasure, Roberta. 😍

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        💜

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  11. Avatar de Annette Rochelle Aben

    I would side with Tommy Thumbs… however, I can see where the religious and royal explanations make sense to those who embrace these lines of thinking

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Thanks, Annette. The Brits seem geared towards Bloody Mary and I would agree to that being the most likely given the history 💓

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  12. Avatar de Colleen Chesebro

    Robbie, these were such interesting interpretations of the nursery rhyme. I would go along with the Mary Queen of Scots version. But who knows? This is a great feature. 💜

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Thank you, Colleen. I’m delighted you enjoyed it.

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      1. Avatar de Colleen Chesebro

        Always, Robbie. 🌅

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  13. Avatar de thomasstigwikman

    Thank you that was interesting reading and I learned some English history that I did not know. In Sweden, Gustav II Adolf fought in the 30 year war for the protestants and was quite successful in conquering Pomerania and parts of Poland. Then his daughter Christina became the Queen of Sweden and converted back to catholism. However, she did not put protestants in thumb screws, or persecuted any protestants. Bloody Mary sounds terrible.

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      English religious history was horrific. Elizabeth 1 followed Mary and she went the other way and tortured Catholics. Perhaps this is why many British people are not religious.

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      1. Avatar de thomasstigwikman

        That is indeed horrific. I The 30 year war was horrible, several million people died, but turning on your own people and it happening twice.

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      2. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

        Yes, the Tudors were a murderous lot

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  14. Avatar de thomasstigwikman

    Oh and I forgot about the guess. I have no idea, but I think the most likely one is the first one «The bells are the sanctus or altar bells…» but I don’t know.

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Hi Thomas, the course is not known so either could be correct, or neither for that matter.

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  15. Avatar de Liz Gauffreau

    The Mary I origin makes the most sense to me.

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Mary is the popular choice. Thanks, Liz

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      1. Avatar de Liz Gauffreau

        You’re welcome, Robbie.

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        💞

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  16. Avatar de memadtwo

    The last one–Bloody Mary–seems unlikely, but either of the other two could serve. Or maybe it’s a combination of both–stories often have multiple sources. (K)

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Hi Kerfe, that is a good point. Most of the Brits think Bloody Mary is the most likely source. No-one actually knows though.

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      1. Avatar de memadtwo

        That’s interesting. Well, they should know.

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      2. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

        My mistake, Mary Queen of Scots is the popular choice 🫣

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      3. Avatar de memadtwo

        That makes more sense.

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        💛

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  17. Avatar de Dawn Pisturino

    What a great idea!

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      Thanks, Dawn 💗

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  18. Avatar de Author Jan Sikes

    It’s fascinating to learn where these things originate, but who knew there were so many different possibilities for this short nursery rhyme. Thanks for sharing, Robbie!

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      I’m pleased you enjoyed this post, Jan. I find these origins interesting too.

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  19. Avatar de Nicole Sara

    I’ve always been fascinated with the origins of things, from stories and legends, to the etymology of words and phrases. This is another interesting segment on the site, thank you for sharing, Robbie, and looking forward to reading more such posts!

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    1. Avatar de robertawrites235681907

      I’m pleased you enjoyed this post, Nicole

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